I always learn a lot — about evals, how product teams are scaling LLM-related…

July 1, 2025

I always learn a lot — about evals, how product teams are scaling LLM-related development and ops, company building — when I talk to @cairns, and recently we recorded one of our conversations!

(editor's note: those were 100% human-created, artisanal em dashes.)

If you're interested in scaling LLM features in production, you should check out Ian's podcast, Deployed. And if you're interested in voice agents, listen to the most recent episode and share your thoughts.

Ian Cairns@cairns

🎙️New Deployed episode with @kwindla! Deep dive on voice agents and voice AI, including his tips for evals and more.

Kwin created @pipecat_ai (the most popular open source voice agent framework) and has been building voice AI since before it was cool.

Tons of practical advice